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Question:

I also brush my teeth after taking my flovent – I have yet to get Thrush Tim Washington State

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : yeah, but don’t you want to avaoid getting thrush? Using an extender tube has greatly reduced my problem in my mouth and stomach from inhaled steroids. — Gordon W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take." – Wayne Gretzky

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Because it’s on the insurance company’s list and Flovent isn’t? More trouble to get you authorized for Flovent. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I f Flovent works better, then why would my doctor want me to switch to Pulmicort? : Flovent tastes like crap… I hate that stuff…but it works. Flovent causes me a lot less troubles than pulmacort and works better. The tast is not nears as bad as a lot of things I remember. Witicha Falls, Texas water stands out in my mind for bad tasting things. — Gordon W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take." – Wayne Gretzky : : -J : : Hey, I’m using Flovent right now, but my doc wants me to switch over to : Pulmicort, but I don’t feel comfortable with it. With Pulmicort, unlike : Flovent, you don’t taste the medicine. How do you know for sure (short : of : an asthma attack) that you are getting the med? : : By the lack of asthma attacks. : : BTW, sometimes I can detect a faint taste of the medication. : : : : "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink : from doing so (just) because you might not like what : you find." : General Colin Powell : :

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Because it’s on the insurance company’s list and Flovent isn’t? More trouble to get you authorized for Flovent.

It is debatable which is better. Pulmicort has less systemic exposure due to rapid metabolism in the liver. Also the delivery device eliminates the need for a spacer. Personally, I use Flovent more because I think my patients are more used to the MDI and I try to get them to use the spacer for the other MDI’s as well. There doesn’t have to be an insidious reason for the recommendation to switch. If it is due to formulary reasons I think the doctor should be excused for not fighting a switch to a drug that is as good, if not better. — CBI, M.D. Please note: It is impossible to accurately diagnose medical problems without seeing the patient and reviewing the entire history. These posts are intended to be helpful and informative. Always check with your doctor before following any advice given.

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yes, that works, but does it work with Pulmicort?

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Typically, no. However if your asthma changes then they may no longer be adequate. Question 2: If Asthmacort is no longer effective for me, will Pulmicort do any good?

I stopped using Azmacort a long time ago. I have been on Pulmicort for about a year now and have had great success. "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink from doing so (just) because you might not like what you find." General Colin Powell

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I used Maxair and Asthmacort successfully for 12 years. Last year at this time, my asthma started causing me trouble. And this has gotten steadily worse over the year. Question 1: Do these drugs become ineffective after long-term use? Question 2: If Asthmacort is no longer effective for me, will Pulmicort do any good? -Daniel Before you buy.

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By the lack of asthma attacks. BTW, sometimes I can detect a faint taste of the medication. "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink from doing so (just) because you might not like what you find." General Colin Powell

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Flovent tastes like crap… I hate that stuff…but it works. -J

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, I’m using Flovent right now, but my doc wants me to switch over to Pulmicort, but I don’t feel comfortable with it. With Pulmicort, unlike Flovent, you don’t taste the medicine. How do you know for sure (short of an asthma attack) that you are getting the med? By the lack of asthma attacks. BTW, sometimes I can detect a faint taste of the medication. "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink from doing so (just) because you might not like what you find." General Colin Powell

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Hey, I’m using Flovent right now, but my doc wants me to switch over to Pulmicort, but I don’t feel comfortable with it. With Pulmicort, unlike Flovent, you don’t taste the medicine. How do you know for sure (short of an asthma attack) that you are getting the med? By the lack of asthma attacks. BTW, sometimes I can detect a faint taste of the medication. When I was on Pulmicort I knew that I was receiving med. because I had

thrush. think about it. Pam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink from doing so (just) because you might not like what you find." General Colin Powell

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yeah, but don’t you want to avaoid getting thrush?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, I’m using Flovent right now, but my doc wants me to switch over to Pulmicort, but I don’t feel comfortable with it. With Pulmicort, unlike Flovent, you don’t taste the medicine. How do you know for sure (short of an asthma attack) that you are getting the med? By the lack of asthma attacks. BTW, sometimes I can detect a faint taste of the medication. When I was on Pulmicort I knew that I was receiving med. because I had thrush. think about it. Pam "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink from doing so (just) because you might not like what you find." General Colin Powell

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: yeah, but don’t you want to avaoid getting thrush? Using an extender tube has greatly reduced my problem in my mouth and stomach from inhaled steroids. — Gordon W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take." – Wayne Gretzky

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: Flovent tastes like crap… I hate that stuff…but it works. Flovent causes me a lot less troubles than pulmacort and works better. The tast is not nears as bad as a lot of things I remember. Witicha Falls, Texas water stands out in my mind for bad tasting things. — Gordon W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take." – Wayne Gretzky : : -J

: : Hey, I’m using Flovent right now, but my doc wants me to switch over to : Pulmicort, but I don’t feel comfortable with it. With Pulmicort, unlike : Flovent, you don’t taste the medicine. How do you know for sure (short : of : an asthma attack) that you are getting the med? : : By the lack of asthma attacks. : : BTW, sometimes I can detect a faint taste of the medication. : : : : "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink : from doing so (just) because you might not like what : you find." : General Colin Powell : :

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I f Flovent works better, then why would my doctor want me to switch to Pulmicort?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Flovent tastes like crap… I hate that stuff…but it works. Flovent causes me a lot less troubles than pulmacort and works better. The tast is not nears as bad as a lot of things I remember. Witicha Falls, Texas water stands out in my mind for bad tasting things. — Gordon W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take." – Wayne Gretzky : : -J : : Hey, I’m using Flovent right now, but my doc wants me to switch over to : Pulmicort, but I don’t feel comfortable with it. With Pulmicort, unlike : Flovent, you don’t taste the medicine. How do you know for sure (short : of : an asthma attack) that you are getting the med? : : By the lack of asthma attacks. : : BTW, sometimes I can detect a faint taste of the medication. : : : : "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink : from doing so (just) because you might not like what : you find." : General Colin Powell : :

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I used Maxair and Asthmacort successfully for 12 years. Last year at this time, my asthma started causing me trouble. And this has gotten steadily worse over the year. Question 1: Do these drugs become ineffective after long-term use? Typically, no. However if your asthma changes then they may no longer be adequate. Question 2: If Asthmacort is no longer effective for me, will Pulmicort do any good? I stopped using Azmacort a long time ago. I have been on Pulmicort for about a year now and have had great success. "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink from doing so (just) because you might not like what you find." General Colin Powell

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Singulair/Headaches—what to use?

Question:

Since I started Singulair 10mg 1x tablets 2 weeks ago, I get headaches almost daily. (Didn’t have that with Accolate). I have tried advil and tylenol but neither seems to get rid of the headache completely. Sometimes the headache is on one side only—never had that before. For those with the same sideaffect, what are you taking that seems to work on these headaches? Thanks, Lynn

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If you are getting headaches from the Singulair you need to call your doctor and tell him. He may advice you to quit taking it. Any side effect of a drug should be reported to your doctor at once!! Janice – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Since I started Singulair 10mg 1x tablets 2 weeks ago, I get headaches almost daily. (Didn’t have that with Accolate). I have tried advil and tylenol but neither seems to get rid of the headache completely. Sometimes the headache is on one side only—never had that before. For those with the same sideaffect, what are you taking that seems to work on these headaches? Thanks, Lynn

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Headaches are a known side affect with Singulair. My patient information guide shows that and the Dr. has confirmed that. It is a side affect I am willing to deal with so long as my asthma is controlled. I have cough asthma and I have tried just about every drug combo/type in the past 2.5 years with no real relief. So far, I am getting slowly better on the singuliar with Flovent 110 2puffs 2x and albuterol as needed. At this point I just want to know what works to relieve the headaches and if they will taper off as I adjust to the Singulair over time. From what I have been told, the answer so far seems to be yes. Thanks for your reply, Lynn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you are getting headaches from the Singulair you need to call your doctor and tell him. He may advice you to quit taking it. Any side effect of a drug should be reported to your doctor at once!! Janice Since I started Singulair 10mg 1x tablets 2 weeks ago, I get headaches almost daily. (Didn’t have that with Accolate). I have tried advil and tylenol but neither seems to get rid of the headache completely. Sometimes the headache is on one side only—never had that before. For those with the same sideaffect, what are you taking that seems to work on these headaches? Thanks, Lynn

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Lynn, When you have to start taking meds for the side-effects, there is cause to be concerned. What the headaches are from?? I tried Singulair and am considering it again (I still have 1/2 bottle left), but I did have flare-up while I was on it and went back to Accolate. I’m not noticing any side effects, otherwise I’d think twice about continuing. Better report that to the doc too. Since I started Singulair 10mg 1x tablets 2 weeks ago, I get headaches

almost daily. (Didn’t have that with Accolate). I have tried advil and tylenol but neither seems to get rid of the headache completely. Sometimes the headache is on one side only—never had that before. For those with the same sideaffect, what are you taking that seems to work on these headaches? Thanks, Lynn<< Sue M.

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The Prescribing Information shows that headaches with Singular are not significently greater than with placebo. See: www.singulair.com http://www.merck.com/!!vmIKI0y_2vmIKL0ZbE/product/usa/singulair/presc… Adverse Effects "Headache 18.4% with Singulair, 18.1% with placebo" So its rather unlikely that Singulair is the cause of your headaches. However you could try stopping Singulair for a few days to see, with your doctor’s permission. Headache is a known side effects of albuterol. See www.rxlist.com Ellis – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Headaches are a known side affect with Singulair. My patient information guide shows that and the Dr. has confirmed that. It is a side affect I am willing to deal with so long as my asthma is controlled. I have cough asthma and I have tried just about every drug combo/type in the past 2.5 years with no real relief. So far, I am getting slowly better on the singuliar with Flovent 110 2puffs 2x and albuterol as needed. At this point I just want to know what works to relieve the headaches and if they will taper off as I adjust to the Singulair over time. From what I have been told, the answer so far seems to be yes. Thanks for your reply, Lynn If you are getting headaches from the Singulair you need to call your doctor and tell him. He may advice you to quit taking it. Any side effect of a drug should be reported to your doctor at once!! Janice Since I started Singulair 10mg 1x tablets 2 weeks ago, I get headaches almost daily. (Didn’t have that with Accolate). I have tried advil and tylenol but neither seems to get rid of the headache completely. Sometimes the headache is on one side only—never had that before. For those with the same sideaffect, what are you taking that seems to work on these headaches? Thanks, Lynn

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The Prescribing Information shows that headaches with Singular are not significently greater than with placebo. See: www.singulair.com http://www.merck.com/!!vmIKI0y_2vmIKL0ZbE/product/usa/singulair/presc… fo/pi.html Adverse Effects "Headache 18.4% with Singulair, 18.1% with placebo" So its rather unlikely that Singulair is the cause of your headaches. However you could try stopping Singulair for a few days to see, with your doctor’s permission. Headache is a known side effects of albuterol. See www.rxlist.com

went to that site and searched albuterol…it claims that for inhalation aersols, Proventil is "not rated equivalent" to an equal dose of Ventolin. I just got switched TO Ventolin from Proventil, so I’d like to know from someone who hopefully does: what’s the difference? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ellis Headaches are a known side affect with Singulair. My patient information guide shows that and the Dr. has confirmed that. It is a side affect I am willing to deal with so long as my asthma is controlled. I have cough asthma and I have tried just about every drug combo/type in the past 2.5 years with no real relief. So far, I am getting slowly better on the singuliar with Flovent 110 2puffs 2x and albuterol as needed. At this point I just want to know what works to relieve the headaches and if they will taper off as I adjust to the Singulair over time. From what I have been told, the answer so far seems to be yes. Thanks for your reply, Lynn If you are getting headaches from the Singulair you need to call your doctor and tell him. He may advice you to quit taking it. Any side effect of a drug should be reported to your doctor at once!! Janice Since I started Singulair 10mg 1x tablets 2 weeks ago, I get headaches almost daily. (Didn’t have that with Accolate). I have tried advil and tylenol but neither seems to get rid of the headache completely. Sometimes the headache is on one side only—never had that before. For those with the same sideaffect, what are you taking that seems to work on these headaches? Thanks, Lynn

– Emily …delete SPAMSTOP to email.

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Headache is a known side effects of albuterol. See www.rxlist.com went to that site and searched albuterol…it claims that for inhalation aersols, Proventil is "not rated equivalent" to an equal dose of Ventolin. I just got switched TO Ventolin from Proventil, so I’d like to know from someone who hopefully does: what’s the difference? Ellis ——cut——- — Emily

Hmmmm. Good question. I thought Ventolin and Proventil (and generic albuterol/salbutamol) MDI’s were equivalent. But you are correct, the site says not only are the MDI’s not equivalent but other forms of albuterol (powder, pills) are not equivalent. However, Ventolin is made by Glaxo of England, and in the US is also supplied as Proventil by Schering under license from Glaxo. I doubt that the differences are significent, and I think if anything that Ventolin is the more reliable product. I think I did see a post that said Schering uses a different pressure in their propellant, but its interesting the other versions of albuterol are also not equivalent; maybe absorbed at a different rate. Ventolin and Proventil both have the same amount of albuterol, 90 mcg/puff at the mouthpiece [100 mcg/puff at nozzle]. My HMO provides generic albuterol MDI’s, Dey. It seems to work as well as Ventolin or Proventil, both of which I have used. http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/albut1.htm albuterol Excerpt: "How Supplied – Rated Therapeutically Equivalent: Aerosol, Metered – Inhalation – 0.09 mg/inh 17 gm, 200 inh $22.20 Ventolin, Refill, Glaxo Wellcome 00173-0321-98 17 gm, 200 inh $24.08 Ventolin, Inhaler, Glaxo Wellcome 00173-0321-88 How Supplied – Not Rated Equivalent: Aerosol, Metered – Inhalation – 0.09 mg/inh 17 gm $22.20 Proventil, Schering 00085-0614-03 17 gm $24.09 Proventil, Schering 00085-0614-02 Capsule, Gelatin – Inhalation – 200 mcg 100’s $24.08 Ventolin, Rotacaps, Refill, Glaxo Wellcome 00173-0389-02 100’s $28.42 Ventolin, Rotacaps, Glaxo Wellcome 00173-0389-01 24’s $19.51 Ventolin Rotacaps, Glaxo Wellcome 00173-0389-03 Powder – - 100 gm $135.00 Albuterol Sulfate, Elge 58298-0509-01 100 gm $187.50 Albuterol, Paddock Labs 00574-0512-01 25 gm $52.50 Albuterol, Paddock Labs 00574-0512-25 Tablet, Coated, Sustained Action – Oral – 4 mg 100’s $63.24 Volmax, Muro Pharm 00451-0398-50 100’s $63.31 Proventil Repetabs, Schering 00085-0431-02 100’s $79.28 Proventil Repetabs, Schering 00085-0431-04 500’s $307.10 Proventil, Schering 00085-0431-03 60’s $35.67 Volmax, Muro Pharm 00451-0398-00 Tablet, Coated, Sustained Action – Oral – 8 mg 100’s $117.42 Volmax, Muro Pharm 00451-0399-50 60’s $63.60 Volmax, Muro Pharm 00451-0399-00" Copyright 1997 – Mosby Inc. – Mosby’s GenRx

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boy, I thought I was going crazy expirencing this! like you, nothing seems to work, and my asthma doc is convinced there’s "no side-effects" with singulair…maybe it’s finally time to get a second (and third if necessary ) opinion! Judge me all you want, just keep the verdict to yourself

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Singulair And Flovent » Singulair and Influenza

Singulair and Influenza

Question:

Hi Everyone, Has anyone contacted Influenza while taking Singulair? I had influenza for around 6 days and looking for others to correspond with. Sincerely, Sandy

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Hi Everyone, Has anyone contacted Influenza while taking Singulair? I had influenza for around 6 days and looking for others to correspond with.

Yep, pretty sure I’ve got the flu now. It’s wreaking havoc with my asthma and I almost ended up in the ER yesterday. Once I took all my meds and doubled my inhaled steroid, I got my peak flows *UP* to 80% of normal. This is still not as bad as the last time I got the flu when I wasn’t taking Singulair. I’m only on my third day though. Loki

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I started taking Singulaire in Aug./98, also had the flu shot, did not catch the flu this year. I don’t think Singulaire should have any bearing on catching the flu at all. Singulaire is to stop the process which causes inflamation and the flu is of course a virus that enters the system.

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Hi Everyone, Has anyone contacted Influenza while taking Singulair? I had influenza for around 6 days and looking for others to correspond with. Sincerely, Sandy

Hi,I have been on singular for about 10months and had the flu 2 times on it.I was real sick with the flu but,my asthma thank God was not affected by it.In fact, I did peak flow readings and had the best readings I have ever had.Go figure huh?This last flu I had a cough and it is still there the cough but,I understand it hangs for about 2weeks.I thought Oh,no,I wondered if it was congestion but,each time I coughed it was clear breathing.Then the peak flows were very good. I feel like stronger in my breathing since I have been on singular.I know it is doing something good for me.I guess some people dont feel it did anything for them.I hope you have had success on the singular and stay well.Leona

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Zoloft Sertraline » pilots license and multiple sclerosis — Canada

pilots license and multiple sclerosis — Canada

Question:

In most cases in Canada, people would have great difficulty in obtaining their pilots license if they have multiple sclerosis. This would be especially true if they have any symptoms or problems with balance or difficulty multitasking and making quick life-and-death decisions because of cognitive effects. PwMS would almost certainly have to appeal to the minister regarding their medical fitness and I doubt whether there would be many exceptions. It is not a matter of money for training or being able to pass a flight test on a good day. The United States is much more liberal in their licensing of aircraft and pilots as evidenced by the many U.S. pilots who would stop at the border between Alaska and the Yukon to fly from Alaska south following the Alaska Highway using road maps instead of proper aeronautical charts. This statement is not third hand but rather based on my personal inspection of many of these aircraft and pilots. Many of these pilots were helicopter pilots in Vietnam. Buying an aircraft from Alaska would guarantee years of headaches and expanse with Transport Canada as many of the aircraft in Alaska are maintained or rebuilt by their owners who are not certified aircraft mechanics keeping very detailed log books of dating from the time of manufacture (often 30 or 40 years) as required in Canada. I checked into it in a lot of detail as I was considering buying a small plane from a friend of mine who as a state trooper in Alaska and had a small airplane with tundra tires and a stall kit for landing in taking off on gravel bars along remote rivers. If you have never been to mainland Alaska, your first observation would probably be all the small aircraft in small fields in the middle of nowhere. I think the airfield is called Taylor Field near Anchorage and I believe that it had around 5000 private aircraft sitting there when I first saw it around 1980. The following are some of the regulations regarding pilots licenses and medical examinations in Canada. Prohibition Regarding Exercise of Privileges 404.06 (1) Subject to subsection (3), no holder of a permit, licence or rating shall exercise the privileges of the permit, licence or rating if (a) one of the following circumstances exists and could impair the holder’s ability to exercise those privileges safely: (i) the holder suffers from an illness, injury or disability, (ii) the holder is taking a drug, or (iii) the holder is receiving medical treatment; (b) the holder has been involved in an aircraft accident that is wholly or partially the result of any of the circumstances referred to in paragraph (a); (c) the holder has entered the thirtieth week of pregnancy, unless the medical certificate is issued in connection with an air traffic controller licence, in which case the holder may exercise the privileges of the permit, licence or rating until the onset of labour; or (d) the holder has given birth in the preceding six weeks. Division IV – MedicalMinister’s Assessment 404.11 (1) The Minister shall assess any medical reports submitted pursuant to paragraph 404.17(b) to determine whether an applicant for the issuance or renewal of a medical certificate meets the medical fitness requirements set out in the personnel licensing standards that are necessary for the issuance or renewal of the medical certificate Reconsideration of Assessment 404.12 (1) An applicant for the renewal of a medical certificate who is assessed by the Minister as not meeting the requirements referred to in subsection 404.11(1) may, within 30 days after the date that the applicant receives the notification referred to in subsection 404.11(2), (a) request the Minister to reconsider the assessment; and (b) submit additional information to the Minister regarding the medical fitness of the applicant in support of the request. — Larry rather than building character, adversity tends to reveal it written with voice recognition software

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I drive a car with hand controls and a while back, looked into flying lessons for the handicapped. I never read anything about MSers not being able to get pilots licenses, but the cost of lessons is PROHIBITIVE! Since I just spent $31,000 on a new car, an airplane isn’t in my budget now, but flying is really intriguing to me.

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On 15 Jul 2003 22:18:33 GMT, oldfortunetel…@aol.com (OldFortuneTeller) wrote in alt.support.mult-sclerosis:

I drive a car with hand controls and a while back, looked into flying lessons for the handicapped. I never read anything about MSers not being able to get pilots licenses, but the cost of lessons is PROHIBITIVE! Since I just spent $31,000 on a new car, an airplane isn’t in my budget now, but flying is really intriguing to me.

I can speak only for Canada. I was a pilot when I had my first overt symptom of MS, a case of double vision. I did not receive the official diagnosis for another 11 years but I was grounded immediately. The reason given at the time was that it was unknown what caused the double vision; therefore, it could occur again with sudden onset–I should come back when the cause was known. I received the official diagnosis of MS in 1994 and was told that MS results in immediate and permanent invalidation of my medical certificate, which means I cannot fly as PIC (Pilot In Command) nor can I serve as flight crew. I was pissed off with the grounding in 1983, but given the way the MS progressed I now believe it is a justified precaution on the part of the authorities. I would likely be dead if I had continued to fly and I would have taken any passengers to their deaths with me. With the benefit of hindsight and speaking as a pilot, I now believe that a person with MS should not act as PIC. You might find a little entertainment if you use Google and read the following: Message-ID: <82idqs8m48re7hn2ee1lb7rtc263v4c0k1@4ax.com

— Gardening Zones Canada Zone 5a United States Zone 3a Near Ottawa, Ontario

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On 15 Jul 2003 22:18:33 GMT, oldfortunetel…@aol.com (OldFortuneTeller) wrote in alt.support.mult-sclerosis:

I never read anything about MSers not being able to get pilots licenses

One of the first things you do is get a check out by an aviation doctor. If you answer the questions truthfully then it is unlikely you will receive a passing medical. — Gardening Zones Canada Zone 5a United States Zone 3a Near Ottawa, Ontario

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:06:00 GMT, "white.lynx" <white.l…@telus.net

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In most cases in Canada, people would have great difficulty in obtaining their pilots license if they have multiple sclerosis. This would be especially true if they have any symptoms or problems with balance or difficulty multitasking and making quick life-and-death decisions because of cognitive effects.

And a score of transient things that might happen only occasionally. — Gardening Zones Canada Zone 5a United States Zone 3a Near Ottawa, Ontario

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I had a Class III medical certificate from the FAA before I got sick. Afterwards, I didn’t even try because I knew I would be turned down. Lessons are relatively inexpensive (compared to getting a plane and maintaining it and storing it, etc.). If you make it clear to the instructor that you will never solo or get your license they can take you up just for fun (and it is). I used to say "I don’t want to learn how to fly, I just want to look around and I want to drive." CFIs are fine to take you up for fun, but CFIIs are more qualified. With a Dx of MS, I would not even try for a FAA medical. The thread is about Canada and I am talking about the US. I do not know your level of disability. I doubt I could even physically get into a small plane today. That is not to mention that I would have to land every hour to pee. If you need hand controls to drive a car, I doubt you could fly a plane at all. You need your feet to work the rudder and there are no adaptive devices. There are some planes that the yoke works the rudder automatically. If you are serious, look into those. I forget which planes do that, but a flying school should know. Fred. oldfortunetel…@aol.com (OldFortuneTeller) wrote in news:20030715181833.29384.00000280@mb-m15.aol.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

I drive a car with hand controls and a while back, looked into flying lessons for the handicapped. I never read anything about MSers not being able to get pilots licenses, but the cost of lessons is PROHIBITIVE! Since I just spent $31,000 on a new car, an airplane isn’t in my budget now, but flying is really intriguing to me.

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Our David is or was an airplane mechanic, and when his neuro dx’d MS, he told Dave that it was one of the diseases that he had to report. David has not been able to work since — and if a mechanic is prohibited you can be sure that the rules for a pilot would be even more stringent. Gaylan "Jim Carter" <spam.f…@softhome.net

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On 15 Jul 2003 22:18:33 GMT, oldfortunetel…@aol.com (OldFortuneTeller)

wrote

in alt.support.mult-sclerosis: I drive a car with hand controls and a while back, looked into flying

lessons

for the handicapped. I never read anything about MSers not being able to

get

pilots licenses, but the cost of lessons is PROHIBITIVE! Since I just spent $31,000 on a new car, an airplane isn’t in my budget

now,

but flying is really intriguing to me. I can speak only for Canada. I was a pilot when I had my first overt symptom of MS, a case of double

vision.

I did not receive the official diagnosis for another 11 years but I was

grounded

immediately. The reason given at the time was that it was unknown what

caused

the double vision; therefore, it could occur again with sudden onset–I

should

come back when the cause was known. I received the official diagnosis of MS in 1994 and was told that MS

results in

immediate and permanent invalidation of my medical certificate, which

means I

cannot fly as PIC (Pilot In Command) nor can I serve as flight crew. I was pissed off with the grounding in 1983, but given the way the MS

progressed

I now believe it is a justified precaution on the part of the authorities.

I

would likely be dead if I had continued to fly and I would have taken any passengers to their deaths with me. With the benefit of hindsight and

speaking

as a pilot, I now believe that a person with MS should not act as PIC. You might find a little entertainment if you use Google and read the

following:

Message-ID: <82idqs8m48re7hn2ee1lb7rtc263v4c…@4ax.com — Gardening Zones Canada Zone 5a United States Zone 3a Near Ottawa, Ontario

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I’m a pilot with MS in the U.S. Haven’t even tried to get the medical certificate since my DX several years ago. Balance problems would make me ineligible even if the MS alone wouldn’t. I sure miss flying. By the way, I still have the license, but it is useless without the medical certificate. "white.lynx" <white.l…@telus.net

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In most cases in Canada, people would have great difficulty in obtaining their pilots license if they have multiple sclerosis. This would be especially true if they have any symptoms or problems with balance or difficulty multitasking and making quick life-and-death decisions because

of

cognitive effects. PwMS would almost certainly have to appeal to the minister regarding their medical fitness and I doubt whether there would

be

many exceptions. It is not a matter of money for training or being able

to

pass a flight test on a good day. The United States is much more liberal in their licensing of aircraft and pilots as evidenced by the many U.S. pilots who would stop at the border between Alaska and the Yukon to fly from Alaska south following the Alaska Highway using road maps instead of proper aeronautical charts. This statement is not third hand but rather based on my personal inspection of many of these aircraft and pilots. Many of these pilots were helicopter pilots in Vietnam. Buying an aircraft from Alaska would guarantee years of headaches and expanse with Transport Canada as many of the aircraft in Alaska are maintained or rebuilt by their owners who are not certified aircraft mechanics keeping very detailed log books of dating from the time of manufacture (often 30 or 40 years) as required in Canada. I checked into

it

in a lot of detail as I was considering buying a small plane from a friend of mine who as a state trooper in Alaska and had a small airplane with tundra tires and a stall kit for landing in taking off on gravel bars

along

remote rivers. If you have never been to mainland Alaska, your first observation would probably be all the small aircraft in small fields in

the

middle of nowhere. I think the airfield is called Taylor Field near Anchorage and I believe that it had around 5000 private aircraft sitting there when I first saw it around 1980. The following are some of the regulations regarding pilots licenses and medical examinations in Canada. Prohibition Regarding Exercise of Privileges 404.06 (1) Subject to subsection (3), no holder of a permit, licence or rating shall exercise the privileges of the permit, licence or rating if (a) one of the following circumstances exists and could impair the

holder’s

ability to exercise those privileges safely: (i) the holder suffers from an illness, injury or disability, (ii) the holder is taking a drug, or (iii) the holder is receiving medical treatment; (b) the holder has been involved in an aircraft accident that is wholly or partially the result of any of the circumstances referred to in paragraph (a); (c) the holder has entered the thirtieth week of pregnancy, unless the medical certificate is issued in connection with an air traffic controller licence, in which case the holder may exercise the privileges of the

permit,

licence or rating until the onset of labour; or (d) the holder has given birth in the preceding six weeks. Division IV – MedicalMinister’s Assessment 404.11 (1) The Minister shall assess any medical reports submitted

pursuant

to paragraph 404.17(b) to determine whether an applicant for the issuance

or

renewal of a medical certificate meets the medical fitness requirements

set

out in the personnel licensing standards that are necessary for the

issuance

or renewal of the medical certificate Reconsideration of Assessment 404.12 (1) An applicant for the renewal of a medical certificate who is assessed by the Minister as not meeting the requirements referred to in subsection 404.11(1) may, within 30 days after the date that the applicant receives the notification referred to in subsection 404.11(2), (a) request the Minister to reconsider the assessment; and (b) submit additional information to the Minister regarding the medical fitness of the applicant in support of the request. — Larry rather than building character, adversity tends to reveal it written with voice recognition software

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wrote: By the way, I still have the license, but it is useless without the medical certificate.

Same as Canada. I still have a licence, but it is invalid without the medical.

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In most cases in Canada, people would have great difficulty in obtaining their pilots license if they have multiple sclerosis.

I have retained my motorcycle racing license since my dx. I did check off the appropriate box in the forms last time I renewed it, and my application had no problems. But flying , I don’t know about that. It’s way to risky.:) — Jim Stinnett http://moto-rama.com

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In addition to the possible dangers to the pilot and his passengers, there is dangers to other airplanes and potential crash sites on the ground. When an aircraft goes missing in Canada, especially in coastal British Columbia, it can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to search for it and jeopardizes the lives of the searchers. There is a loophole in the regulations to allow the minister of transport some flexibility, but I can only see it justifiable in the case of a symptom-free individual. I quit driving motor vehicles even though I could probably do it most of the time using hand controls. I know that in a complicated emergency pressure situation I could not respond quickly enough and I did not want to take the chance of killing half of someone else’s family because of my pride and the often used "I need my car" excuse. I suspect that there are many people with multiple sclerosis who should voluntarily quit driving but have not. In British Columbia, Canada you can be tested on a simulator and be taught how to use hand controls. The thing that keeps many people from doing this is that you require a doctor’s referral (he is required by law to report you to motor vehicle branch if he doubts your ability to drive safely), it costs $300 you have to pay yourself and if you fail, it must be reported to motor vehicle branch in order to get you off the road. Most people know when they have crossed the line and become a hazard. They should voluntarily quit driving, although some are in denial. — Larry rather than building character, adversity tends to reveal it written with voice recognition software "jim stinnett" <motor…@sbcglobal.net

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> news:YvWQa.12108$Ma.2012737@news1.telusplanet.net… > > In most cases in Canada, people would have great difficulty in obtaining > > their pilots license if they have multiple sclerosis. > I have retained my motorcycle racing license since my dx. I did check off > the appropriate box in the forms last time I renewed it, and my application

had no problems. But flying , I don’t know about that. It’s way to risky.:) — Jim Stinnett http://moto-rama.com

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In addition to the possible dangers to the pilot and his passengers, there is dangers to other airplanes and potential crash sites on the ground.

When

an aircraft goes missing in Canada, especially in coastal British

Columbia,

it can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to search for it and jeopardizes the lives of the searchers. There is a loophole in the regulations to allow the minister of transport some flexibility, but I can only see it justifiable in the case of a symptom-free individual. I quit driving motor vehicles even though I could probably do it most of

the

time using hand controls. I know that in a complicated emergency pressure situation I could not respond quickly enough and I did not want to take

the

chance of killing half of someone else’s family because of my pride and

the

often used "I need my car" excuse.

i saw on tv today an older man drove thru a crowd of people, in cali,, it was reported he may have had a stroke or maybe a heart attack,, the question is ,when should you relinquish your driving priveledges?,, how do we determine that time? if this gent had a history of heart condition, maybe his doctor should have the ability to yank their liscences when they show ceretain symptoms or threats of stroke or heart attacks?? if thats what it was. so when should we decide to stop driving , when it puts others at risk,, how do we determine how bad our condition must be to stop driving???, specially with our cognitive symptoms we experience!!!, i have noticed it is gettin hard to say things at times,, getting the words out,, bobD

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Here in the US (WA state) – I had a friend getting her pilot’s license. She was on Zoloft for depression but otherwise completely healthy. The FAA said she had to go off the Zoloft and get a psych note saying she was "stable" and could function w/out the meds. This totally sucked for her but she did it and as soon as she got her license – back on zoloft. ps this was all pre-9/11 jkl

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… Here in the US (WA state) – I had a friend getting her pilot’s license. She was on Zoloft for depression but otherwise completely healthy. The FAA said she had to go off the Zoloft and get a psych note saying she was "stable" and could function w/out the meds. This totally sucked for her but she did it and as soon as she got her license – back on zoloft. ps this was all pre-9/11 jkl

Your friend is asking for big, big trouble. Go to http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp (this is The National Transportation Board site) and ignore all spaces except the one labelled "Enter your word string below:" Put the single word "zoloft" into that space and observe that there are eight hits on the word, each hit representing an accident, most fatal. Here is just one of them. This is the synopsis, full narrative is available at the NTSB site. Please point your friend to this site and have her discontinue either the zoloft or flying. Please. "NTSB Identification: CHI01LA149. The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number DMS. 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation Accident occurred Sunday, May 27, 2001 in Kankakee, IL Probable Cause Approval Date: 1/16/03 Aircraft: Geertz Zenith CH 200, registration: N77VZ Injuries: 1 Fatal. The airplane was destroyed on impact with terrain. The pilot was fatally injured. A witness stated, "I watched it start a bank turn to the left and then nosed straight down. There were no other movements of the aircraft after it nosed down. It did not spin while going down. … I could not tell if the engine was running … nor did I notice the propeller. It appeared to me that there was no control of the aircraft after the left bank." The private pilot had 88.9 hours of total flight time and held a third class medical certificate. The pilot listed he used Zoloft and noted no "Mental disorders of any sort … " on the application for that medical certificate. Extracts from the pilot’s personal medical records showed, "…self-discontinued Zoloft 2 weeks ago because of conflict with FAA licensing – patient feels fine off of it. … An entry approximately 6 weeks before the accident indicates "…occasional problem staying asleep – has taken Ambien in past … no problem with concentration … meds – Zoloft 50 mg per day, approximately 3 days per week …" Civil Aeromedical Institute (CAMI) reviewed that application and cautioned the pilot, "Because of your history of anxiety and sleep disturbance, operation of aircraft is prohibited at any time new symptoms or adverse changes occur or any time medication and/or treatment is required." CAMI’s Final Forensic Toxicology Accident Report stated, "SERTRALINE detected in Liver 0.283 (ug/ml, ug/g),DESMETHYLSERTRALINE detected in Liver, and DESMETHYLSERTRALINE detected in Blood." Desmethylsertraline is the predominant metabolite of the antidepressant sertraline, Zoloft. Sertraline, Zoloft is [a] SSRI antidepressant. … ***Warnings – may impair mental and/or physical ability required for the performance of potentially hazardous tasks (e.g.,driving, operating heavy machinery).*** No pre-impact anomalies were found with the airplane. The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows: The loss of control on initial climbout for undetermined reasons. Full narrative available"

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Not much worse than an alchoholic who sobers up just to get their drivers liscence renewed "Jim Carter" <jimcar…@gmx.net

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Here in the US (WA state) – I had a friend getting her pilot’s license.

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was on Zoloft for depression but otherwise completely healthy. The FAA

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she had to go off the Zoloft and get a psych note saying she was

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back on zoloft. ps this was all pre-9/11 jkl Your friend is asking for big, big trouble. Go to http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp (this is The National Transportation Board site) and ignore all spaces except the one labelled "Enter your word string below:" Put the single word "zoloft" into that space and observe that there are eight hits on the word, each hit representing an accident, most fatal. Here is just one of them. This is the synopsis, full narrative is available at the NTSB site. Please point your friend to this site and have her discontinue either the zoloft or flying. Please. "NTSB Identification: CHI01LA149. The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number DMS. 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation Accident occurred Sunday, May 27, 2001 in Kankakee, IL Probable Cause Approval Date: 1/16/03 Aircraft: Geertz Zenith CH 200, registration: N77VZ Injuries: 1 Fatal. The airplane was destroyed on impact with terrain. The pilot was fatally injured. A witness stated, "I watched it start a bank turn to the left and then nosed straight down. There were no other movements of the aircraft after it nosed down. It did not spin while going down. … I could not tell if the engine was running … nor did I notice the propeller. It appeared to me that there was no control of the aircraft after the left bank." The private pilot had 88.9 hours of total flight time and held a third class medical certificate. The pilot listed he used Zoloft and noted no "Mental disorders of any sort … " on the application for that medical certificate. Extracts from the pilot’s personal medical records showed, "…self-discontinued Zoloft 2 weeks ago because of conflict with FAA licensing – patient feels fine off of it. … An entry approximately 6 weeks before the accident indicates "…occasional problem staying asleep – has taken Ambien in past … no problem with concentration … meds – Zoloft 50 mg per day, approximately 3 days per week …" Civil Aeromedical Institute (CAMI) reviewed that application and cautioned the pilot, "Because of your history of anxiety and sleep disturbance, operation of aircraft is prohibited at any time new symptoms or adverse changes occur or any time medication and/or treatment is required." CAMI’s Final Forensic Toxicology Accident Report stated, "SERTRALINE detected in Liver 0.283 (ug/ml, ug/g),DESMETHYLSERTRALINE detected in Liver, and DESMETHYLSERTRALINE detected in Blood." Desmethylsertraline is the predominant metabolite of the antidepressant sertraline, Zoloft. Sertraline, Zoloft is [a] SSRI antidepressant. … ***Warnings – may impair mental and/or physical ability required for the performance of potentially hazardous tasks (e.g.,driving, operating heavy machinery).*** No pre-impact anomalies were found with the airplane. The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows: The loss of control on initial climbout for undetermined reasons. Full narrative available"

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To me, I would rather see my friend on zoloft and flying her sessna (sp?) than depressed b/c she can’t take zoloft just to be a recreational flyer. How the heck can you link zoloft with an airplane accident. If that was the case you would see a 2Million who take SSRI’s in an a lot more accidents driving their cars. jkl

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it diminished my driving abilities,,last accident (there were 3 or 4) i totaled 2 cars..i stopped driving then. "MsWompa" <mswo…@aol.comnothanks

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To me, I would rather see my friend on zoloft and flying her sessna (sp?)

than

depressed b/c she can’t take zoloft just to be a recreational flyer. How the heck can you link zoloft with an airplane accident. If that was

the

case you would see a 2Million who take SSRI’s in an a lot more accidents driving their cars. jkl

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On 18 Jul 2003 02:19:01 GMT, mswo…@aol.comnothanks (MsWompa) wrote in alt.support.mult-sclerosis:

To me, I would rather see my friend on zoloft and flying her sessna (sp?) than depressed b/c she can’t take zoloft just to be a recreational flyer. How the heck can you link zoloft with an airplane accident. If that was the case you would see a 2Million who take SSRI’s in an a lot more accidents driving their cars.

I just hope that when she crashes her Cesna that she does it in an open area so she doesn’t take anyone else with her. — Joan

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On 18 Jul 2003 02:19:01 GMT, mswo…@aol.comnothanks (MsWompa) wrote: }To me, I would rather see my friend on zoloft and flying her sessna (sp?) than }depressed b/c she can’t take zoloft just to be a recreational flyer. } }How the heck can you link zoloft with an airplane accident. If that was the }case you would see a 2Million who take SSRI’s in an a lot more accidents }driving their cars.

If an aircraft is functioning properly then the cause of the accident must be the pilot. If the pilot is taking a drug that interferes with his performance then one can quite easily link the drug with the accident. As a Naval Aviator, this tells me just how irresponsible pilots can be. And who says that a lot of the accidents on our highways are not caused by people on OTC or prescription drugs who are disregarding the warning labels on the packages? The FAA does not ground a pilot without cause or on a whim. According to the 53rd edition of the Physicians’ Desk Reference (PDR), ZOLOFT is used for treatment of depression, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and panic disorder. Following are the definitions as defined in the PDR. None are the characteristics of a person who must be able to make split second decisions. "Depression…A major depressive episode implies a prominent and relatively persistent depressed or dysphoric mood that usually interferes with daily functioning (nearly every day for at least 2 weeks)…." "Obsessive-compulsive disorder is characterized by recurrent and persistent ideas, thoughts, impulses, or images (obsessions) that are ego-dystomic and/or repetitive, purposeful, and intentional behaviors (compulsion) that are recognized by the person as excessive or unreasonable…." "Panic disorder…a discrete period of intense fear or discomfort in which four (or more) of the following symptoms develop abruptly and reach a peak within 10 minutes; (1) palpitations, pounding heart, or accelerated heart rate; (2) sweating; (3) trembling or shaking; (4) sensations of shortness of breath or smothering; (5) feeling of choking; (6) chest pain or discomfort; (7) nausea or abdominal distress; (8) feeling dizzy, unsteady, lightheaded, or faint; (9) derealization (feelings of unreality) or depersonalization (being unattached from oneself); (10) fear of losing control; (11) fear of dying; (12) paresthesias (numbness or tingling sensations); (13) chills or hot flushes…."

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what about american pilots flying high!!, doing amphetamines to be alert!!! this is a drug and it affects the ability to function while flying,, especially in combat, evidence of this is our 4 canadian soldiers blown away by an american pilot high on dope!!! in his doped up state he was unable to make proper descision or identify or obey the central commands orders. now we find out ALL american fighter pilots fly high on dope!!!! this is common american practice of drugging their pilots in the airforce. now i know why so many choppers go down, from? drugged up americans fighting the war on drugs and terrorism while stoned on uppers!!!! bobD "Tom Harkness" <spam.f…@nospam.com

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On 18 Jul 2003 02:19:01 GMT, mswo…@aol.comnothanks (MsWompa) wrote: }To me, I would rather see my friend on zoloft and flying her sessna (sp?)

than

}depressed b/c she can’t take zoloft just to be a recreational flyer. } }How the heck can you link zoloft with an airplane accident. If that was

the

}case you would see a 2Million who take SSRI’s in an a lot more accidents }driving their cars. If an aircraft is functioning properly then the cause of the accident must be the pilot. If the pilot is taking a drug that interferes with his performance then one can quite easily link the drug with the accident. As a Naval Aviator, this tells me just how irresponsible pilots can be.

And

who says that a lot of the accidents on our highways are not caused by people on OTC or prescription drugs who are disregarding the warning

labels

on the packages? The FAA does not ground a pilot without cause or on a whim. According to the 53rd edition of the Physicians’ Desk Reference (PDR), ZOLOFT is used for treatment of depression, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and panic disorder. Following are the definitions as defined in the PDR. None are the characteristics of a person who must be able to make split second decisions. "Depression…A major depressive episode implies a prominent and

relatively

persistent depressed or dysphoric mood that usually interferes with daily functioning (nearly every day for at least 2 weeks)…." "Obsessive-compulsive disorder is characterized by recurrent and

persistent

ideas, thoughts, impulses, or images (obsessions) that are ego-dystomic and/or repetitive, purposeful, and intentional behaviors (compulsion) that are recognized by the person as excessive or unreasonable…." "Panic disorder…a discrete period of intense fear or discomfort in which four (or more) of the following symptoms develop abruptly and reach a peak within 10 minutes; (1) palpitations, pounding heart, or accelerated heart rate; (2) sweating; (3) trembling or shaking; (4) sensations of shortness

of

breath or smothering; (5) feeling of choking; (6) chest pain or

discomfort;

(7) nausea or abdominal distress; (8) feeling dizzy, unsteady,

lightheaded,

or faint; (9) derealization (feelings of unreality) or depersonalization (being unattached from oneself); (10) fear of losing control; (11) fear of dying; (12) paresthesias (numbness or tingling sensations); (13) chills or hot flushes…."

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}now we find out ALL american fighter pilots fly high on dope!!!! this is }common american practice of drugging their pilots in the airforce.

Take it up with the Air Force. I am Navy and feel the practice is irresponsible.

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Tom Harkness said:

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:03:50 GMT, "Bob Davidson" <phatb…@shaw.ca wrote: }now we find out ALL american fighter pilots fly high on dope!!!! this is }common american practice of drugging their pilots in the airforce. Take it up with the Air Force. I am Navy and feel the practice is irresponsible.

"Irresponsible"? How about "criminally insane"? ((U)) M

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}Tom Harkness said: } }

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:03:50 GMT, "Bob Davidson" <phatb…@shaw.ca

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}

}

}now we find out ALL american fighter pilots fly high on dope!!!!

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this is }common american practice of drugging their pilots in the

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airforce.

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}

Take it up with the Air Force. I am Navy and feel the practice is

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irresponsible.

} }"Irresponsible"? } }How about "criminally insane"? } }((U)) } M }

Take it up with the Air Force legal department. Why am I suddenly the whipping boy for things over which you ought to know I have no control, did not countenance, cannot change, was not present for and am not responsible for? I think one of you is taking bad drugs. Or else is not taking his good drugs. He says, "ALL american fighter pilots fly high on dope!!!!" then goes on to correctly state it is the Air Force. Notice how quickly we go from ALL fighter pilots to just Air Force fighter pilots. Now you chime in with your two cents of legalese. ("Insane" is a legal, not medical, term.) What do you expect me say? Why not use your energy to prevent another tragedy from occurring rather than to rehash old tragedies that cannot be undone? If you cannot contribute to this purpose in a meaningful way then at least start a new message chain for your grievances where you can be ignored and are not detracting from the efforts of the pilots and others here who are trying to prevent another tragedy. Is this too much to ask of you? I will return to base in another few minutes. Pat yourselves on your backs for your efforts this day. You have not helped one bit, but you have added considerable obfuscation in the message chain for those who are trying to help.

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In <news:47d6d50e675fa9c0b6f2401a183c0054@free.teranews.com

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Tom Harkness said: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:18:36 -0700, "Michael" <muirh…@island.net> > wrote: > }In <news:2382260b508bca06f082da1e53af960e@free.teranews.com

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> }Tom Harkness said: > } > }> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:03:50 GMT, "Bob Davidson" <phatb…@shaw.ca> > }> wrote: > }> > }> }now we find out ALL american fighter pilots fly high on dope!!!! > }> this is }common american practice of drugging their pilots in the > }> airforce. > }> > }> Take it up with the Air Force. I am Navy and feel the practice is > }> irresponsible. > } > }"Irresponsible"? > } > }How about "criminally insane"? > } > }((U)) > } M > } > Take it up with the Air Force legal department. Why am I suddenly the > whipping boy for things over which you ought to know I have no > control, did not countenance, cannot change, was not present for and > am not responsible for?

Easy, Tom… I was commenting on a common Air Force practice, not on you! ((U)) M

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tom ,the point i am trying to make is that if they? are going to ban people with ms from flying cause we take medications, then ban all american pilots in ANY sevice that is FORCED to take uppers to fly 134 million dollar jets that bomb people.i dont say canadian pilots cause we dont have a common proctice of forcing our pilots to take uppers or not get the flight time!!! but hey thanks for pointing out my inconsistencies, and i did pat myself on the back because eveytime i try and discuss what the usa is doing to the world someone corrects my grammar!! but i did get out the fact that there are pilots on drugs flying at mach 2 with big bombs in their holding bay, so whay up with them puttin pressure on msers who fly? t i did make some spelling mistakes buts thats how itype, also i did not get anything right, after i said all pilots, i just said airforce,, thats who flies planes,, i was not differentiating between any of your forces pilots as i did not know it was only the airforce pilots, high on crack how do you know the navy dudes aint taking Da shizznit too? bringing up the past is what is called -judicial precedent,, or when making an arguement, you back it up with facts,, like your pilots were on hardcore drugs when they murdered our soldiers who were in a KNOWN training area,, they fucked up!!! i also know john walters is a liar cause i have it on record. it is a fact he lied,, and that the bush oilicies are based on lies,, since you think i should pat myself on the back for something i was not intending in what i said,, i just now said it, and will pat myself now. bobD

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:My shrink has started me on 20mg though I’m having a rough time with it. I’m :trying to stay away from benzos. I got some with me but never take it due to :the addictive nature of the drug. Not to say that AD drugs aren’t addictive :unlike the shrink says. I take Cipramil at night to help with sleeping a bit :due to its sedative effect. :How r u going with your problems? Dear Wiseguy, Please call your doctor and ask about lowering your celexa dose and weaning slower, especially that you are trying to stay away from benzos. There is no reason to suffer like this. I read in your reply to Vanessa that you recently broke up with your fiancee over her inability to deal with your disorder. I`m so sorry about that. My husband isn`t very understanding about my disorder and it has caused a lot of problems too. {{{{{Wiseguy}}}}} Jackie ~*~I am of nothing special; of this I am sure. I am a common man with common thoughts, and I’ve led a common life. There are no monuments dedicated to me and my name will soon be forgotten, but I’ve loved another with all my heart and soul, and to me, this has always been enough~*~ ~Nicholas Sparks~

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Hi Wiseguy, Sorry to hear about the break-up with your fiance. It is so hard for our partners and loved ones to understand, hey it’s hard for *us* to understand it all. I’ve been married 14 years and my condition has really tested our relationship many times. I must be one of the lucky ones as my husband comes along to therapy with me and supports me as best he can even though he doesn’t understand it. I am doing really well, thanks for asking. No panic attack for 3 months now, yipeee. Still some anxiety here and there but I can live with that. I am working 3 days per week and enjoying it, instead of dreading each day. I went to see my husband in the World Masters Games here in Melbourne last week, and I didn’t get anxious as i thought I might….sunny day….lots of people….open spaces….eeek, enough to normally keep me away or get tied up in knots. So you work at Quantas huh? Going back to work may bring some routine back to your life. It’s great that you are looking forward to it, great positive attitude, especially after all you have been through. Are you happy with you shrink? Other than prescribing meds does she give you any CBT therapy – may not be for you but it worked great for my problems. Can’t comment on your med as I have never taken ssri’s, I do take rivotril (clonazepam) which is a benzo, has helped me but you are different and you need to work out the combo and treatment that works best for you. Let us know how you are going – side effects etc. Other posters take the med you are on now (celexa) so am sure they can advise better than me. best wishes, Vanessa )

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Hi Vanessa, thanks for asking. My pulpatations seemed to be in connection with the EFFEXOR XR so I’ve been told to change over. So now it’s a waiting game again. Getting off EFFEXOR XR was hell for me, I didn’t know they’re so addictive unlike what the shrink told me. Getting on Cipramil wasn’t fun either. Started off on 20mg straight out so I’m still getting used to it altough I seem to feel a bit better. As far as checking my pulse, that shoul wear off as my heart rate goes down hence reducing further anxiety. It hasn’t been the best of times for me, broke up with my fiancee of almost 5 years because she wasn’t understanding with this so she couldn’t put up with me anymore. As for now I’m a bit deppressed but trying to have a positive attitude about things though things arn’t so bright at the moment. I’m looking forward to going back to work to QANTAS next month after taking 3 months off. Hows thing with you if I may ask? Thanx

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All i know is that it’s an SSRI, used mainly for anxiety, depression and OCD. Good to see you posting again wiseguy. Sorry to hear you are still suffering from anxiety/panic and have had side effects from the meds you have tried. How are your heart palpitations going? Are you still checking your heart rate as often as you used to? Vanessa ) Hi everyone. I haven’t posted for a while but I have a queation. I have just started on Cipramil for anxiety and panic disorder after having tried Aurorix and Effexor XR with no luck and a lot of side effects. Anyone have any info or experience with Cipramil? Thank You all

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Hi Jackie, My shrink has started me on 20mg though I’m having a rough time with it. I’m trying to stay away from benzos. I got some with me but never take it due to the addictive nature of the drug. Not to say that AD drugs aren’t addictive unlike the shrink says. I take Cipramil at night to help with sleeping a bit due to its sedative effect. How r u going with your problems? Thanx and may God be with you all.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :Hi everyone. I haven’t posted for a while but I have a queation. I have just :started on Cipramil for anxiety and panic disorder after having tried :Aurorix and Effexor XR with no luck and a lot of side effects. : :Anyone have any info or experience with Cipramil? : :Thank You all Dear Wiseguy, I hope your doctor is starting you at a low dose and weaning you slowly onto the celexa. Usual starting dose for people with anxiety disorder is 5mgs, increasing that dose every week or so until you reach the prescribed dose. It is also a common practice to use a benzo such as xanax or klonopin while weaning on antidepressants. Give the celexa 6 to 8 weeks to kick in. Make sure to take it with food and/or water as to prevent any stomach irritation that some antidepressants can cause. You may also have to experiment with the time you take the dose to see what works best for you. I wish you much luck with your new med Jackie ~*~I am of nothing special; of this I am sure. I am a common man with common thoughts, and I’ve led a common life. There are no monuments dedicated to me and my name will soon be forgotten, but I’ve loved another with all my heart and soul, and to me, this has always been enough~*~ ~Nicholas Sparks~

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Hi everyone. I haven’t posted for a while but I have a queation. I have just started on Cipramil for anxiety and panic disorder after having tried Aurorix and Effexor XR with no luck and a lot of side effects. Anyone have any info or experience with Cipramil? Thank You all

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All i know is that it’s an SSRI, used mainly for anxiety, depression and OCD. Good to see you posting again wiseguy. Sorry to hear you are still suffering from anxiety/panic and have had side effects from the meds you have tried. How are your heart palpitations going? Are you still checking your heart rate as often as you used to? Vanessa ) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone. I haven’t posted for a while but I have a queation. I have just started on Cipramil for anxiety and panic disorder after having tried Aurorix and Effexor XR with no luck and a lot of side effects. Anyone have any info or experience with Cipramil? Thank You all

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:Hi everyone. I haven’t posted for a while but I have a queation. I have just :started on Cipramil for anxiety and panic disorder after having tried :Aurorix and Effexor XR with no luck and a lot of side effects. : :Anyone have any info or experience with Cipramil? : :Thank You all Dear Wiseguy, I hope your doctor is starting you at a low dose and weaning you slowly onto the celexa. Usual starting dose for people with anxiety disorder is 5mgs, increasing that dose every week or so until you reach the prescribed dose. It is also a common practice to use a benzo such as xanax or klonopin while weaning on antidepressants. Give the celexa 6 to 8 weeks to kick in. Make sure to take it with food and/or water as to prevent any stomach irritation that some antidepressants can cause. You may also have to experiment with the time you take the dose to see what works best for you. I wish you much luck with your new med Jackie ~*~I am of nothing special; of this I am sure. I am a common man with common thoughts, and I’ve led a common life. There are no monuments dedicated to me and my name will soon be forgotten, but I’ve loved another with all my heart and soul, and to me, this has always been enough~*~ ~Nicholas Sparks~

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Zoloft Withdrawal–The Darkest Period of my Life

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i have to agree they all tell me that zoloft isn’t addicting either, but screw them all i go off it for 2 days and then have to start it again they say hardly any of the newer drugs are addicting, well i say, that they should try them themselves and then they will see Zoloft Withdrawal–The Darkest Period of my Life Antidepressants "I had all the classic symptoms of a junkie coming off of heroine."

Well, in my experience, if you taper off of the drug, much the same as you slowly build up to a dose perscribed by your pdoc, you will experience less side effects. The reason why it seems like you are addicted is because your nervous system has become dependant on the drug, and if you were to just stop it, you will experience severe side effects for several months afterwards, which happened to me a few years ago. However, it’s not anywhere near as severe of an *addiction* as heroine or alcohol. Frost

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i have to agree they all tell me that zoloft isn’t addicting either, but screw them all i go off it for 2 days and then have to start it again they say hardly any of the newer drugs are addicting, well i say, that they should try them themselves and then they will see

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Zoloft Withdrawal–The Darkest Period of my Life Antidepressants "I had all the classic symptoms of a junkie coming off of heroine." My name is Virginia and I just finished seeing a segment on 2020 regarding withdrawal symptoms after getting off of an antidepressant. THANK GOD!!! There are other people out there that have experienced the same symptoms I have experienced! Every doctor in the past, (3), I have told about my withdrawal symptoms have told me that it’s not possible or that they’ve never heard of anyone having these

symptoms months after – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – attempting to get off Zoloft. I even got very upset at one of the doctor’s and told him that the symptoms I was experiencing were "real" and that I was not crazy! To make a long story short– The six months I was off the Zoloft was the darkest period of my life. I had all the classic symptoms of a junkie coming off of heroine. For three weeks straight, I had dry heaves, nausea, dizziness, panic attacks so severe I thought I was having a heart attack, cold sweats, a weird sound in my head, like breaking glass every time I’d blink my eyes, the disconnection of your brains ability to catch up with your vision when you look sharply to the left or right (almost like the old slide projectors that take a second and then click to the next picture), severe paranoia, and continual suicidal thoughts. If it were not for my husband taking time of from work to watch over me, I would not be here today! Unfortunately, I lost my job, and ended up having to get back on the Zoloft in order to live a so-called "normal life". And I can honestly say, it was like a miracle how quickly my nausea and dry heaves went away. I only wish that the first doctor I saw would have informed me about the possibility of becoming addicted to this drug, and given me the choice of alternative treatment or a life long commitment to Zoloft. Now the only symptoms I have are dry mouth and a stiff jaw…Oh, and paranoia about ever losing my health insurance. Virginia — Psychiatry is to Science as Astrology is to Astronomy

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Eessential Tremor Effexor » Good News For My Dad Maybe

Good News For My Dad Maybe

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*and I just wondered because his symptoms just didn’t fit the disease. Well it *may turn out that he has something called Essential Tremor. 60 percent of all *senior citizens have it in one degree or another. We won’t know for sure until *his current doctor tests him for it. There are no tests for essential tremor. It’s a diagnosis of exclusion, based on history and ruling out other causes of tremor. — "uber vaccae in quattuor partes divisum est." newly minted veterinarian-at-large

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There are no tests for essential tremor. It’s a diagnosis of exclusion,

based on history and ruling out other causes of tremor. << Thanks for the info. I had no idea. Oh well, I hope the new doctor can rule out Parkinsons. Mo I haven’t lost my mind, it’s backed up on disk somewhere.

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My father and I went on a weekend vacation to visit his brother and wife. <<

And my brother in the Marine Corps called Thursday to inform us he is coming home for a visit of about 5 days then he goes back to being over seas for 2 months. My dad is so happy. I hope he stays in this good mood for awhile. He is so nice to be around right now. Not stressing out over anything. The only thing that gets me is why to our house. You think he’d want to go visit the wife and kids. On the other hand the kids are pretty energetic and I’m sure the wife has a few bones to pick with him so maybe he is ducking and running. Either way can hardly wait for his visit. Good thing I spent the last few months house cleaning. I hope he can find his way around. <g Mo I haven’t lost my mind, it’s backed up on disk somewhere.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My father and I went on a weekend vacation to visit his brother and wife. We left last Friday morning and came home Sunday afternoon. It was so enjoyable to see my dad laughing and having a good time. Saturday he and his brother went golfing and as girls usually do, we went to the mall. Beautiful weather made the days so much more enjoyable. I almost hated to leave. I think we both put on at least 5 pounds each. Now if you think that was the good news you are soooo mistaken. The good news is my dad has a very sharp SIL. She was commenting on how my dad shakes as do all the men in his family. Brothers deceased and two still living. His dad had tremors also. Anyhoo my dads previous doctor diagnosed him with Parkinsons and I just wondered because his symptoms just didn’t fit the disease. Well it may turn out that he has something called Essential Tremor. 60 percent of all senior citizens have it in one degree or another. We won’t know for sure until his current doctor tests him for it. Okay so the weekend was good…well sort of. We found out my dads brother is in the early stages of AD, although my uncle flatly refuses to believe he has it. My uncle was a Navy career man (20+years) who travelled all over the world in his military days. Sharp as a tack and very kind.. They have have 4 adult children who can help…one living nearby. Two are nurses one retired to raise a family one practicing so hopefully they can give info, advice or whatever is needed and she knows I am available whenever she needs to talk. I’ve mentioned this newsgroup and gave her the muggsmulcher ad faq URL. Well I am rambling on so I better shut up for now and get back to watching McLoud. A tv series from years ago. Mo I haven’t lost my mind, it’s backed up on disk somewhere.

Dear Mo,I work in a NH and also do hairdressing for the elderly (My first profession)one of my ladies has the tremors as you describe quite common with the Elderly and her Dr prescribed Brandy with a mixer of choice for this!! she says it helps I just knew my Brandy and cokes were for a good reasonLOL. Hope you have a positive finding on your results for this one. Kind Regards Michelle

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My father and I went on a weekend vacation to visit his brother and wife. We left last Friday morning and came home Sunday afternoon. It was so enjoyable to see my dad laughing and having a good time. Saturday he and his brother went golfing and as girls usually do, we went to the mall. Beautiful weather made the days so much more enjoyable. I almost hated to leave. I think we both put on at least 5 pounds each. Now if you think that was the good news you are soooo mistaken. The good news is my dad has a very sharp SIL. She was commenting on how my dad shakes as do all the men in his family. Brothers deceased and two still living. His dad had tremors also. Anyhoo my dads previous doctor diagnosed him with Parkinsons and I just wondered because his symptoms just didn’t fit the disease. Well it may turn out that he has something called Essential Tremor. 60 percent of all senior citizens have it in one degree or another. We won’t know for sure until his current doctor tests him for it. Okay so the weekend was good…well sort of. We found out my dads brother is in the early stages of AD, although my uncle flatly refuses to believe he has it. My uncle was a Navy career man (20+years) who travelled all over the world in his military days. Sharp as a tack and very kind.. They have have 4 adult children who can help…one living nearby. Two are nurses one retired to raise a family one practicing so hopefully they can give info, advice or whatever is needed and she knows I am available whenever she needs to talk. I’ve mentioned this newsgroup and gave her the muggsmulcher ad faq URL. Well I am rambling on so I better shut up for now and get back to watching McLoud. A tv series from years ago. Mo I haven’t lost my mind, it’s backed up on disk somewhere.

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Prescription Medication Knowledge Base » Do Xanax And Zoloft Hinder Libido » New member to the group

New member to the group

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snipped Welcome to anx/pan Robb! Opps Rony made a boo boo : Welcome to ASAP snipped Rony. Thats what happens when you get addicted to #anx/pan Rony, it takes over your life to the extent that everywhere seems like its #anx/pan. Some fiendish plot of Jon’s to take over the world I suspect!!!! <VBG Ian Gosh! i really should get out more )

Ian, I think we should ALL get out more. Karen

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Welcome to ASAP Robb. You will find a lot of supportive and experienced people here to help you through this. Hello All, My name is Robb and I am new to this group. I am a 26 year old male who has just recently been diagnosed with panic disorder. About a month ago I was sitting at work listening to some music and writing code (I am a Webmaster for a marketing firm) when all of a sudden I went numb. My heart started pounding so hard it hurt, I got nauseated, dizzy, and started shaking. The worst part was my mind lost its sense of reality. At that exact point in time, all I could remember is wanting "out". I do believe that was a strong suicidal flash.

This may have been a panic attack, as they can cause all of the symptoms listed above. The feelings can certainly be overwhelming. From reading the rest of the posts in here, I can see I’m not alone. This syndrome has bothered me because in life, I’m the one people go to when everything falls apart. I’ve always been the solid one, the one who is in control all the time. The PA’s have changed all that. Now I fear doing many of the things that I used to enjoy because I might have an attack. I hate to complain about my medical insurance since my company pays for it 100%, but it is an HMO, so I still haven’t been to see a psychologist. I have been to counseling and have seen my physician who has me on Xanax and Zoloft. The only thing the Xanax does for me is make me groggy, but many times that’s enough. I have no idea if the Zoloft is doing anything. I hope when I see the psychologist next month he will be able to determine the correct medication to help this along.

You may want to see a psychiatrist specializing in anxiety disorders, being you are already on medication. How long have you been taking Xanax and Zoloft, and what doses? The grogginess may soon wear off, your body needs to adjust to the med. It does sound like Xanax is already helping, give both meds some time to work fully. I HATE drugs, especially anything that makes me feel disconnected, but in contrast to the panic attacks, I’ll deal with them for the time being. Ok, this will be enough for my first posting. I just wanted to say thank you to all of you out there who’s stories I’ve read. Although the severity of these attacks have lessened over the past month, they still bother me. However, I find it comforting to know that I am not "going crazy" and that this is truly problem with physical roots as well. Robb

Most of us feel the way you do, we don’t like taking meds. But given the choice between PA’s and taking the meds, it’s an easy choice. You certainly aren’t going crazy, although panic can make it seem that way. Let us know how you progress. Ray Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it – even if I have said it – unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.

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writes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snipped Welcome to anx/pan Robb! Opps Rony made a boo boo : Welcome to ASAP snipped Rony. Thats what happens when you get addicted to #anx/pan Rony, it takes over your life to the extent that everywhere seems like its #anx/pan. Some fiendish plot of Jon’s to take over the world I suspect!!!! <VBG Ian

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I am also a new member. For years ,,I felt very stressed and anxious but no name/diagnosis was really given. Then I married….a wonderful man and we had 2 childred. While in my 30’s he died suddenly (he was same age) of a heart attack. A month to the day later my Mother died suddenly. Two weeks after that,,,my son almost lost his eye,,and had permanent damage as well as severe bleeding from incident. i had started a new job (was not working prior) A year later I had a major car accident. A few years later I wound up in the hospital for a month with severe asthma and major meds. The doctor (pulmonary specialist) felt that the asthma was worsened from "stuffed symptons" so to speak. He put me on an antidepressant. Then I went off that. A few years later my heart started to race and I felt nervous. The MD prescribed Verapamil which helped a bit. Now,,,,I have a stressful job,,(one I am not fond of anymore. I seem to start worrying over things and can’t stop. Kind of obsessing. I went to Dr and he upped dosage of Verapamil to 240 mg a day,,and gave me a prescription for Lorazepam….1//2 to 1 mg daily "as needed" I feel good but sometimes drowsy. I need to concentrate on my job. I have an HMO and right now a psychiatrist is not an option. My son is 23,,,and believe he has OCD. BUt he refuses to take medication. SO SORRY for this long post. I don’t have panic per se,,,thank GOd I can go places without panicking,,but have this anxiety a lot but not all the time. i had gone to a pychologist before (with other insurance) In the past several doctors advised me that I had to learn to cope with my stress and of course having gone thru what I did it was normal. I don’t know why I was not diagosed before. I am now 50 and feel that I felt anxious for years when I need not have been. I can’t change the past,,,but am wondering if Lorazepam helps,,should I keep taking it? Worried about long lasting problems. Thanks again,,I guess I must have gen anxiety disorder though dr did not give it a name. Can this be worsened by the events I went thru and why 13 years later,,,are things getting worse? Thanks for listening,,,and again sorry for this long post which I hope you can make sense out of. Best to all Linda

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snipped Welcome to anx/pan Robb! Opps Rony made a boo boo : Welcome to ASAP snipped Rony. Thats what happens when you get addicted to #anx/pan Rony, it takes over your life to the extent that everywhere seems like its #anx/pan. Some fiendish plot of Jon’s to take over the world I suspect!!!! <VBG Ian

ROFL!! Hi Ian! Hope you are doing well! Steph

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snipped Thats what happens when you get addicted to #anx/pan Rony, it takes over your life to the extent that everywhere seems like its #anx/pan. Some fiendish plot of Jon’s to take over the world I suspect!!!! <VBG Ian ROFL!! Hi Ian! Hope you are doing well! Steph

Yep, I’m doing okay, thanks for asking. :-) Ian

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am also a new member. For years ,,I felt very stressed and anxious but no name/diagnosis was really given. Then I married….a wonderful man and we had 2 childred. While in my 30’s he died suddenly (he was same age) of a heart attack. A month to the day later my Mother died suddenly. Two weeks after that,,,my son almost lost his eye,,and had permanent damage as well as severe bleeding from incident. i had started a new job (was not working prior) A year later I had a major car accident. A few years later I wound up in the hospital for a month with severe asthma and major meds. The doctor (pulmonary specialist) felt that the asthma was worsened from "stuffed symptons" so to speak. He put me on an antidepressant. Then I went off that. A few years later my heart started to race and I felt nervous. The MD prescribed Verapamil which helped a bit. Now,,,,I have a stressful job,,(one I am not fond of anymore. I seem to start worrying over things and can’t stop. Kind of obsessing. I went to Dr and he upped dosage of Verapamil to 240 mg a day,,and gave me a prescription for Lorazepam….1//2 to 1 mg daily "as needed" I feel good but sometimes drowsy. I need to concentrate on my job. I have an HMO and right now a psychiatrist is not an option. My son is 23,,,and believe he has OCD. BUt he refuses to take medication. SO SORRY for this long post. I don’t have panic per se,,,thank GOd I can go places without panicking,,but have this anxiety a lot but not all the time. i had gone to a pychologist before (with other insurance) In the past several doctors advised me that I had to learn to cope with my stress and of course having gone thru what I did it was normal. I don’t know why I was not diagosed before. I am now 50 and feel that I felt anxious for years when I need not have been. I can’t change the past,,,but am wondering if Lorazepam helps,,should I keep taking it? Worried about long lasting problems. Thanks again,,I guess I must have gen anxiety disorder though dr did not give it a name. Can this be worsened by the events I went thru and why 13 years later,,,are things getting worse? Thanks for listening,,,and again sorry for this long post which I hope you can make sense out of. Best to all Linda

Hi Linda and welcome to ASAP! You’ve been through a lot – too much really and I’m sorry about that. An anxiety disorder can manifest itself any time although the risk gets smaller with age after a certain age. But then it seems you’ve been doping with anxiety for years now and yes, there may come a time when taking meds is sensible and that time may well be now. I think you may suffer from GAD with OCD-overtones but nobody – let alone non-professionals like us here – can diagnose someone else over the net. Wouldn’t it be possible to see a psychiatrist specialized in anxiety disorders in a program with gliding scales or something like that? I feel it’s important to be properly diagnosed and then get prescribed the relevant med(s). In the meatime I wonder why you’re taking *Verapramil* fopr anxiety for which it is, as a calcium blocker used for hypertension and certain cardiac problems, not a first choice med at all. A benzo like lorazepam may work. If it doesn’t you might want to try Xanax (alprazolam). You will bezome dependent on benzos when taking them for a longer period but this just means that if and when you decide to stop taking them you’ll have to do a slow taper in order to avoid withdrawal symptoms. Benzos have been life-savers for many GAD and PD-sufferer. I think the proof is in the pudding. *If it works, it works*. NBut you should see to it that you’re not undermedicated. 1/2 to 1 mgs of lorazepam may be fine to take *as needed* but if you’re experience anxiety all the time you might be better off on a regular dose and as lorazepam (the same goes for Xanax) is a short acting benzo you would need to take it three times a day or so. I hope it will help you, you are entitled to some peace of mind…. Philip

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Hello All, My name is Robb and I am new to this group. I am a 26 year old male who has just recently been diagnosed with panic disorder. About a month ago I was sitting at work listening to some music and writing code (I am a Webmaster for a marketing firm) when all of a sudden I went numb. My heart started pounding so hard it hurt, I got nauseated, dizzy, and started shaking. The worst part was my mind lost its sense of reality. At that exact point in time, all I could remember is wanting "out". I do believe that was a strong suicidal flash. From reading the rest of the posts in here, I can see I’m not alone. This syndrome has bothered me because in life, I’m the one people go to when everything falls apart. I’ve always been the solid one, the one who is in control all the time. The PA’s have changed all that. Now I fear doing many of the things that I used to enjoy because I might have an attack. I hate to complain about my medical insurance since my company pays for it 100%, but it is an HMO, so I still haven’t been to see a psychologist. I have been to counseling and have seen my physician who has me on Xanax and Zoloft. The only thing the Xanax does for me is make me groggy, but many times that’s enough. I have no idea if the Zoloft is doing anything. I hope when I see the psychologist next month he will be able to determine the correct medication to help this along. I HATE drugs, especially anything that makes me feel disconnected, but in contrast to the panic attacks, I’ll deal with them for the time being. Ok, this will be enough for my first posting. I just wanted to say thank you to all of you out there who’s stories I’ve read. Although the severity of these attacks have lessened over the past month, they still bother me. However, I find it comforting to know that I am not "going crazy" and that this is truly problem with physical roots as well. Robb

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Hi Robb,

Welcome to ASAP. You have come to a place where you will meet, so to speak, people who are dealing with the same issues as you. Please feel free to post as often as you feel the need. There are quite a few well informed people in this NG that are a great help and inspiration to all of us. Once again, welcome..smile. Mary Kay – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello All, My name is Robb and I am new to this group. I am a 26 year old male who has just recently been diagnosed with panic disorder. About a month ago I was sitting at work listening to some music and writing code (I am a Webmaster for a marketing firm) when all of a sudden I went numb. My heart started pounding so hard it hurt, I got nauseated, dizzy, and started shaking. The worst part was my mind lost its sense of reality. At that exact point in time, all I could remember is wanting "out". I do believe that was a strong suicidal flash. From reading the rest of the posts in here, I can see I’m not alone. This syndrome has bothered me because in life, I’m the one people go to when everything falls apart. I’ve always been the solid one, the one who is in control all the time. The PA’s have changed all that. Now I fear doing many of the things that I used to enjoy because I might have an attack. I hate to complain about my medical insurance since my company pays for it 100%, but it is an HMO, so I still haven’t been to see a psychologist. I have been to counseling and have seen my physician who has me on Xanax and Zoloft. The only thing the Xanax does for me is make me groggy, but many times that’s enough. I have no idea if the Zoloft is doing anything. I hope when I see the psychologist next month he will be able to determine the correct medication to help this along. I HATE drugs, especially anything that makes me feel disconnected, but in contrast to the panic attacks, I’ll deal with them for the time being. Ok, this will be enough for my first posting. I just wanted to say thank you to all of you out there who’s stories I’ve read. Although the severity of these attacks have lessened over the past month, they still bother me. However, I find it comforting to know that I am not "going crazy" and that this is truly problem with physical roots as well. Robb

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The only thing the Xanax does for me is make me groggy, but many times that’s enough. I have no idea if the Zoloft is doing anything. I hope when I see the psychologist next month he will be able to determine the correct medication to help this along.

Robb, You didn’t mention if your doctor said anything, so I’ll just add that the Zoloft will take several weeks to have any effect. If it’s a psychologist you’re seeing, but not a psychiatrist, the psychologist will not be able to prescribe drugs but if s/he has experience in panic/anxiety s/he will be aware of what drugs are out there and how they are used and to what effect. In the meantime, don’t give up on the drugs simply because you are anti-drug. (Like another poster said, you wouldn’t refuse insulin if you were diabetic would you?) Give the Zoloft time to have an effect. Best of luck.

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I get the psychiatrist / psychologist thing messed up all the time. I meant psychiatrist. And I’ve done tons of research through the web about the Zoloft and realize it can take up to 6 weeks to have any effect. Sorry about being dense – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You didn’t mention if your doctor said anything, so I’ll just add that the Zoloft will take several weeks to have any effect. If it’s a psychologist you’re seeing, but not a psychiatrist, the psychologist will not be able to prescribe drugs but if s/he has experience in panic/anxiety s/he will be aware of what drugs are out there and how they are used and to what effect. In the meantime, don’t give up on the drugs simply because you are anti-drug. (Like another poster said, you wouldn’t refuse insulin if you were diabetic would you?) Give the Zoloft time to have an effect. Best of luck.

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Hello All, My name is Robb and I am new to this group. I am a 26 year old male who has just recently been diagnosed with panic disorder.

<snip . My heart started pounding so hard it hurt, I got nauseated, dizzy, and started shaking. The worst part was my mind lost its sense of reality.

<snip Sounds like you had a derealization episoide too …. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From reading the rest of the posts in here, I can see I’m not alone. This syndrome has bothered me because in life, I’m the one people go to when everything falls apart. I’ve always been the solid one, the one who is in control all the time. The PA’s have changed all that. Now I fear doing many of the things that I used to enjoy because I might have an attack. I hate to complain about my medical insurance since my company pays for it 100%, but it is an HMO, so I still haven’t been to see a psychologist. I have been to counseling and have seen my physician who has me on Xanax and Zoloft. The only thing the Xanax does for me is make me groggy, but many times that’s enough. I have no idea if the Zoloft is doing anything. I hope when I see the psychologist next month he will be able to determine the correct medication to help this along. I HATE drugs, especially anything that makes me feel disconnected, but in contrast to the panic attacks, I’ll deal with them for the time being. Ok, this will be enough for my first posting. I just wanted to say thank you to all of you out there who’s stories I’ve read. Although the severity of these attacks have lessened over the past month, they still bother me. However, I find it comforting to know that I am not "going crazy" and that this is truly problem with physical roots as well. Robb

Welcome to anx/pan Robb! give the Zolfot a chance , it can take a while to take effect, so hang in there. And yes your right you are not going crazy!. Please let us know how you get on with the meds, i’m sure you wi ll be feeling some relief before long ) Rony. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All, My name is Robb and I am new to this group. I am a 26 year old male who has just recently been diagnosed with panic disorder. <snip . My heart started pounding so hard it hurt, I got nauseated, dizzy, and started shaking. The worst part was my mind lost its sense of reality. <snip Sounds like you had a derealization episoide too …. From reading the rest of the posts in here, I can see I’m not alone. This syndrome has bothered me because in life, I’m the one people go to when everything falls apart. I’ve always been the solid one, the one who is in control all the time. The PA’s have changed all that. Now I fear doing many of the things that I used to enjoy because I might have an attack. I hate to complain about my medical insurance since my company pays for it 100%, but it is an HMO, so I still haven’t been to see a psychologist. I have been to counseling and have seen my physician who has me on Xanax and Zoloft. The only thing the Xanax does for me is make me groggy, but many times that’s enough. I have no idea if the Zoloft is doing anything. I hope when I see the psychologist next month he will be able to determine the correct medication to help this along. I HATE drugs, especially anything that makes me feel disconnected, but in contrast to the panic attacks, I’ll deal with them for the time being. Ok, this will be enough for my first posting. I just wanted to say thank you to all of you out there who’s stories I’ve read. Although the severity of these attacks have lessened over the past month, they still bother me. However, I find it comforting to know that I am not "going crazy" and that this is truly problem with physical roots as well. Robb Welcome to anx/pan Robb!

Opps Rony made a boo boo : Welcome to ASAP give the Zolfot a chance , i

t can take a while to take effect, so hang in there. And yes your right you are not going crazy!. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Please let us know how you get on with the meds, i’m sure you wi ll be feeling some relief before long ) Rony.

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Hi Rob, welcome to ASAP, Your story isn’t all that uncommon, nor is the fact that you are a computer geek We seem to have a disproportionately high number of comp wizards here (probably some so far undocumented Microsoft bug IMO). And most of us were the bedrock that others clung to in times of crisis. It can be a really weird disorder that way, hitting you where you thought you were strongest!!!! Go figure!!! Good luck Ian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My name is Robb and I am new to this group. I am a 26 year old male who has just recently been diagnosed with panic disorder. About a month ago I was sitting at work listening to some music and writing code (I am a Webmaster for a marketing firm) when all of a sudden I went numb. My heart started pounding so hard it hurt, I got nauseated, dizzy, and started shaking. The worst part was my mind lost its sense of reality. At that exact point in time, all I could remember is wanting "out". I do believe that was a strong suicidal flash. From reading the rest of the posts in here, I can see I’m not alone. This syndrome has bothered me because in life, I’m the one people go to when everything falls apart. I’ve always been the solid one, the one who is in control all the time. The PA’s have changed all that. Now I fear doing many of the things that I used to enjoy because I might have an attack. I hate to complain about my medical insurance since my company pays for it 100%, but it is an HMO, so I still haven’t been to see a psychologist. I have been to counseling and have seen my physician who has me on Xanax and Zoloft. The only thing the Xanax does for me is make me groggy, but many times that’s enough. I have no idea if the Zoloft is doing anything. I hope when I see the psychologist next month he will be able to determine the correct medication to help this along. I HATE drugs, especially anything that makes me feel disconnected, but in contrast to the panic attacks, I’ll deal with them for the time being. Ok, this will be enough for my first posting. I just wanted to say thank you to all of you out there who’s stories I’ve read. Although the severity of these attacks have lessened over the past month, they still bother me. However, I find it comforting to know that I am not "going crazy" and that this is truly problem with physical roots as well. Robb

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snipped Welcome to anx/pan Robb! Opps Rony made a boo boo : Welcome to ASAP snipped Rony.

Thats what happens when you get addicted to #anx/pan Rony, it takes over your life to the extent that everywhere seems like its #anx/pan. Some fiendish plot of Jon’s to take over the world I suspect!!!! <VBG Ian

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Gosh! i really should get out more )

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Looking for Anxious and/or Depressed Nurses

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Any anxious/depressed nurses out there? I recently graduated nursing school and started my first ever LPN job. Although I’ve been on various SSRIs (currently Zoloft) the old anxiety and depression which I thought had subsided several years ago are coming back with a vengeance! I’m afraid I’m going to screw up, get a bad review, or even get fired or lose my license! Diana B.

Hi Diana, welcome to ASAP, If every nurse with a anxiety disorder was fired, then most hospitals would need to close. For some reason(s) the medical profession generally, and nurses in particular, seem to have more than their fair share of anxiety and depression sufferers. Probably, all due to those difficult to please patients, although I am of course an exception! :-^) Take care Ian

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If every nurse with a anxiety disorder was fired, then most hospitals would need to close. For some reason(s) the medical profession generally, and nurses in particular, seem to have more than their fair share of anxiety and depression sufferers. Probably, all due to those difficult to please patients, although I am of course an exception! :-^) Take care Ian

In my experience the worst patients, are male patients. Especially in the 45 to 50 age bracket. <G They are demanding, obnoxious and can not handle any pain. I would give up peroxide just to see what kind of patient you are, Ian. ~~ When I was in the hospital having surgery, this one night there was this person screaming all night, it was the most blood-curdling screams I had ever heard. I couldn`t take it any more, and asked one of the nurses what was wrong. With a "giggle", she said it was the man down the hall passing a tiny ole kidney baby…….You guys are such babies<VBG. *Her*

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Hi Diana, Welcome to ASAP! I am a LPN also, but I am not working due to PD. I do understand how difficult it is to do your job while being very anxious and panicky. When I was working in a nursing home, I was the medication and treatment nurse. Medications were quite difficult to dispense while in a anxiety state. My worse fear was I would make a medication error and hurt someone. I had no idea what was wrong with me, but you do know what you are dealing with. Seek help immediately, before this gets out of control. I would first go to your MD and get a good checkup just to make sure nothing physical is causing it. If everything checks out, get to a psych doctor ASAP. It is time to either up the Zoloft dose, or think about a med change. A script for a benzo would also help. I would also suggest Cognitive Behavioral therapy, if you haven`t done this before. You need to be taught some coping tools for those anxious moments at work. And CBT can do that. You can`t get fired or lose your license because you suffer from a anxiety disorder. Making errors while really anxious is always a possibility, that is why you need to deal with this now, and aggressively, this will not go away on its own. I really do sympathize with you, I do know what you are going through. Hope things work out, and keep in touch<g Jackie ~~Optimism is the faith that leads to achievement. Nothing can be done without hope and confidence~~

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Debra Bode..NSTA News

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Wanted to let you know what Debra thought of the NSTA symposium. She sent this to me and I wanted to share it with all of you, since I posted her first call for help, on asd, asking if anyone else was going, since she was going alone. She enjoyed meeting Elf, Katie and Sondra. I thank all of you, too, for looking her up. Deb’s message: First of all, thanks to all of you who responded to my inquiry regarding who was attending. Since it was my first symposium and my spouse could not attend, it was a little intimidating going alone. However, as suggested through your e-mails, everyone was very kind and helpful. The symposium was great! If you have never been to one, I would highly recommend it – next year is in San Diego – also a great vacation spot! I found one of the major benefits in attending is sharing the stories, symptoms, concerns with other ST’rs and having someone finally relate to the same set of feelings. An extra special thanks and "hello" to three wonderful women found through the net, Romona (Elf) from Tennessee, Katie Stehr from Georgia, and Sondra from Ohio. I also found many members of the NSTA team to be great including Jan Richter, Patricia Murray, Carol Frank, David Stein, and Don Roblee. Time just flew and attendance was excellent making the sad part the inability to meet and spend time talking with everyone. Carol Frank, President of NSTA, shared that in 1980, there were 22 members of NSTA – today, there are over 3,000. I’m certain most of you now know about the Botox A shortage. Allergan is completely out of the product awaiting FDA approval hopefully by the end of November. You can reach a local sales rep for updates at 1-800-639-7914. After the "Taco Neck" syndrome, Jerry West of the L.A. Lakers has cut two public service announcements. It was also announced that Dixie Carter and Hal Holbrook will help to sponsor a Casino Night in L.A. next year. We are still looking for our "famous affected spokesperson". The educational piece of the session began with Dr. Paul Cullis and Dr. Christopher O’Brien discussing Botox. Most of you know that the body uses acetylcholine from the nerve transmission to the muscle causing it to contract. Botox stops the release of this action. There are three proteins that release acetylcholine and Botox A works on one protein (SNAP-25) while Botox B works on Synaptobrevin or VAMP. One good idea to help counter the antibody situation many have experienced, is to alternate Botox A and Botox B once it has been approved. It is estimated that the timeframe for Botox B approval is about 12 months. Another key point from O’Brien is that administration of Botox is an art form and the success on a patient is very technique dependent. This takes time and experience. There are 56 muscles in the neck and proper administration of Botox is not in any textbook. The stats from Cullis and O’Brien were an 80-85% good response rate for Botox for cervical dystonia. Although to some of us, it has seemed like a miracle, it is not. Botox typically responds in 1-10 days and peaks between 2-6 weeks. Average time between treatment is 3-4 months; Botox itself actually lasts 12 months but the brain makes new connections to new muscles causing the dystonia symptoms to reoccur. Botox has been used on some patients for 15 years still receiving good results. Dystonia does get worse with time and it does get harder to treat. Antibodies tend to develop faster in younger people, higher doses (300 units+) and more frequent use. Botox B is supposed to be a cleaner toxin. Although there is a lot of research going on in many areas for dystonia – genetics, surgeries etc., O’Brien felt Botox will probably be the dystonia treatment of choice for the next five years. The next presentation was by Deborah DeLeon M.S. on the study of genetics of dystonia. The first issue here is resources. It is only herself and one other person (now on maternity leave) doing the research so it is taking much longer. Genetics are showing that dystonia does carry on chromosomes but different ones for different family groups. There are 2-3 times as many women with cervical dystonia compared to men. It is showing up a lot in individuals with German backgrounds. Dr. Drake Duane spoke next on "Is ST an autoimmune disease? He has studied about 300 patients between 1987-1997. He has discovered the average age of onset is 43.5 yrs and the ratio is 65% female/35%male. About 90% of ST’rs get relief when laying down. One key point new to me was the number of patients that develop scoliosis. Physical therapy can be helpful here as arthritis sets into the neck and back. Dr. Duane reiterated that the ST brain does not degenerate, it simply has a quirk. It was never really answered if ST is an autoimmune disease, cause is still unknown. Dr. Mitchell Brin spoke next on Deep Brain Stimulation for ST. Surgical options are normally left for those that do not respond to medications or Botox. However, different surgical options are being investigated since there are still limited solutions. Deep brain stimulation is where electrodes are implanted into one of two areas of the brain and "wires" run down the inside of the neck to the chest with an implant of a pacemaker device. Videos were shown with Parkinson’s patients where they had virtually no control and when the electrical stimulation was supplied they could move almost normally. The FDA has approved this process for Parkinson’s and essential tremor. Dr. Brin will be trialing it on two dystonia patients in December. The next presentation was by Dr. Dennis Dykstra on Doxorubicin Chemomyectomy for the treatment of ST. Doxorubicin is an anti-cancer drug. It has been experimented on 18 blepharospasm patients with 9 patients "cured" for one year and 60% of those not receiving any other treatment. Doxorubicin actually destroys muscle cells which then fills in with connective tissue. Doxorubicin does not diffuse throughout the muscle like Botox and it can destroy other cells. It can injure your heart, liver and is toxic to the skin. It is irreversible. There are three ST patients trialing this right now. Since it is in such early stages, very conservative doses are being used and going after only one or two muscles at a time. Results have thus shown minor improvement. The benefits are it is much cheaper than Botox ($15 for 10 mg, using 60 mg doses) and it would be permanent. Overall opinion on this is possible potential but too early to tell. Next came the presentation from Paul Cullis on ITX (Immunotoxin). Dr. Cullis pointed out the limitations of Botox are: 1)Duration 3-4 mos. 2) Very expensive 3) certain % of non-responders 4) not specific to the exact area. The goal of ITX is to develop an immunotoxin for treatment of focal muscle spasms utilizing an immunoglobulin that attacks a problem in the body and a toxin with a type of "cruise Missile" that destroys the affected muscle on contact permanently. The toxin being used for this study is Ricin (plant based) and it zeroes in on just the affected muscle cells. Unfortunately, I had to make some calls for work at this point so I missed the majority of the denervation surgery presentation. After a long day filled with information we broke for socializing and sharing of more experiences. The next morning, we had two interesting gentlemen from England share an epidemiology study from the northeast of England and a new program where a Nurse Practitioner is providing Botox treatments in people’s homes. Out of about 766 patients, 566 have focal dystonia and of those 351 are cervical. They are doing extensive education in England on dystonia and show about 1 in every 10,450 people has cervical dystonia. The nurse practitioner program has been very successful as patients feel the nurse spends more time with them, really listens to where the pain is and frees the doctor up for more consultation time. They also expressed that ST is not only a physical movement disorder but it moves people socially and economically as well. In England, average onset was at 39.4 years and diagnosis at 47 years thus the push for education. From an employment standpoint for ST, 30.8% were available for work of which 13.5% were in full-time employment, 8.2% in part-time employment, 7.7% unemployed and 1.4% self-employed. However, an additional 25.6% were on long-term sick leave or retired early. Similar employment results were found in a study in Germany. The treatment of choice in England is Botox rather than drugs that also affect other areas of the body. Although they also stated that 25% of all patients are dopa responsive so they try Sinebid prior to Botox. From a social perspective, 59.8% of ST’rs had moderate anxiety or depression compared to 19.1% of the general population. 8.8% of ST’rs had severe anxiety or depression compared to 1% of the general population. 60.4% experienced pain or discomfort compared to 29% of the general population and 21.8% had severe pain compared to 3.8% of the general population. Social functioning for ST’rs was also 23.7 points below the general population. Next came Lee Dreyfus, former Governor of Wisconsin to discuss "Coping as a Family Member". His wife, Joyce, developed ST seven years ago after a fall at their cottage. Mr. Dreyfus was quite humorous and while I did not personally agree with everything he said or the comments he made about and to his wife, he had a few key points from my perspective. ST is not an individual affliction, it affects all family members. He felt the key to a successful marriage was a male vs. a shared leadership and that each partner’s #1 concern should be the other person. He encouraged ST’rs not to "use" the ST as an excuse and not to play wolf with "can’t" vs. "won’t". He said family members must … read more »

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Thank You Tommye, I thought Deb did a superb job and posted this information, since she sent it to me. I have received mail from England asking for more info, which I forwarded to him, after I emailed to Deb to get it. Love Ya too, ….Anna – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks Anna and Deb!!! This is so very interesting-thank you so very much for posting it!! Love Ya, Tommye

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